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		<title>By: Just What Makes a Wine Natural? - The Pour Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-4104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just What Makes a Wine Natural? - The Pour Blog - NYTimes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a definition in rather strident terms, I think. Another blogging colleague, Jeremy Parzen, had to get all defensive when he referred to a wine as natural that didn’t fit the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a definition in rather strident terms, I think. Another blogging colleague, Jeremy Parzen, had to get all defensive when he referred to a wine as natural that didn’t fit the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Franco Ziliani</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franco Ziliani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, I have the strongest respect for you, for your work to propose great and authentic wines in USA, for your history, but I think that yesterday you exaggerate with my friend Jeremy. It&#039;s only a wine history, we must not save the world... 
Also from Parkerization, like suggest our friend Alice... 
kindest regards
Franco]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I have the strongest respect for you, for your work to propose great and authentic wines in USA, for your history, but I think that yesterday you exaggerate with my friend Jeremy. It&#8217;s only a wine history, we must not save the world&#8230;<br />
Also from Parkerization, like suggest our friend Alice&#8230;<br />
kindest regards<br />
Franco</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dressner</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Dressner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goebbels was a big collector. Or was it Himmler....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goebbels was a big collector. Or was it Himmler&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco Ziliani</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franco Ziliani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that to arrive to accuse someone, like Jeremy (of Jewish origin)to be &quot;nazist&quot; for a question regarding natural wines or machine harvest and not by hand, apologies for my poor English, is absolutely crazy and without sense. We are talking about wines, sirs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that to arrive to accuse someone, like Jeremy (of Jewish origin)to be &#8220;nazist&#8221; for a question regarding natural wines or machine harvest and not by hand, apologies for my poor English, is absolutely crazy and without sense. We are talking about wines, sirs!</p>
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		<title>By: Do Bianchi</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do Bianchi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Joe, for checking back. I&#039;ve not tasted the Bossard, nor the Landron, but I love the Olivier. I know that your anti-historical-National-Socialism-in-Europe credentials are impeccable (as was evidenced by your old blog). The Luneau was great last night and we have a few bottles left and will continue to enjoy it in the days of summer that remain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe, for checking back. I&#8217;ve not tasted the Bossard, nor the Landron, but I love the Olivier. I know that your anti-historical-National-Socialism-in-Europe credentials are impeccable (as was evidenced by your old blog). The Luneau was great last night and we have a few bottles left and will continue to enjoy it in the days of summer that remain.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dressner</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Dressner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to apologize if anyone mistook my Nazi mention as being a charge against Jeremy. I know that Jeremy is very much anti-Nazi.

I am also not accusing Jeremy of calling me a Nazi. Jeremy knows my anti-Nazi credentials are impeccable and would never stoop so low.

Even Traci B., God Bless her, is innocent of all charges of Nazi-ism or accusing others of Nazi sympathies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to apologize if anyone mistook my Nazi mention as being a charge against Jeremy. I know that Jeremy is very much anti-Nazi.</p>
<p>I am also not accusing Jeremy of calling me a Nazi. Jeremy knows my anti-Nazi credentials are impeccable and would never stoop so low.</p>
<p>Even Traci B., God Bless her, is innocent of all charges of Nazi-ism or accusing others of Nazi sympathies.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dressner</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Dressner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the Luneau-Papin is in the Natural Wine grey area. I would not call it a natural wine, even though Luneau is one of the handful of growers who still hand harvests in the Muscadet.

I hope the estate moves to organic farming in the future and I would also like to see a lower dose of sulpher in some of the bottlings.

Regardless, the key thing about the estate is their wonderful holdings, their insistence on hand harvesting, and the preponderance of selections massale in their vineyards, rather than clones.

I gladly drink this wine and drank a 1997 and 2000 L d&#039;Or this summer.

It is not dogmatically correct but is still delicious.

But it is not really a naturally made wine as it stands now. We hope it will be in the future.

The paradox of viticulture is that someone with inferior holdings might do everything &quot;right&quot; and the wine may not even approach Luneau&#039;s wines because they have clones and bad terroir. Life is long and we hope Luneau and his Pierre-Marie will move to an organic production soon. We are doing all we can to bring this about.

For me, the leaders in Natural wine Muscadet are Guy Bossard, Jo Landron, and Marc Ollivier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the Luneau-Papin is in the Natural Wine grey area. I would not call it a natural wine, even though Luneau is one of the handful of growers who still hand harvests in the Muscadet.</p>
<p>I hope the estate moves to organic farming in the future and I would also like to see a lower dose of sulpher in some of the bottlings.</p>
<p>Regardless, the key thing about the estate is their wonderful holdings, their insistence on hand harvesting, and the preponderance of selections massale in their vineyards, rather than clones.</p>
<p>I gladly drink this wine and drank a 1997 and 2000 L d&#8217;Or this summer.</p>
<p>It is not dogmatically correct but is still delicious.</p>
<p>But it is not really a naturally made wine as it stands now. We hope it will be in the future.</p>
<p>The paradox of viticulture is that someone with inferior holdings might do everything &#8220;right&#8221; and the wine may not even approach Luneau&#8217;s wines because they have clones and bad terroir. Life is long and we hope Luneau and his Pierre-Marie will move to an organic production soon. We are doing all we can to bring this about.</p>
<p>For me, the leaders in Natural wine Muscadet are Guy Bossard, Jo Landron, and Marc Ollivier.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dressner</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Dressner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally and unconditionally reject Stacie B&#039;s love!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally and unconditionally reject Stacie B&#8217;s love!</p>
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		<title>By: Do Bianchi</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do Bianchi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Joe I agree that there is NO debate. I do not claim to be an authority on natural wine. I simple enjoy many of the wines that higher authorities (to whom I defer) call natural wines. In some cases, I&#039;ve shared some of those wines with my friends, my family, and people who buy wine from me (mostly my friends and family, btw). There is no question of morality here. And there is no moral ground to stand on. I appreciate and admire what you do and have done historically for the natural wine movement and Tracie B and I LOVE your portfolio of wines. Open your heart, o Big Joe, and see the love...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe I agree that there is NO debate. I do not claim to be an authority on natural wine. I simple enjoy many of the wines that higher authorities (to whom I defer) call natural wines. In some cases, I&#8217;ve shared some of those wines with my friends, my family, and people who buy wine from me (mostly my friends and family, btw). There is no question of morality here. And there is no moral ground to stand on. I appreciate and admire what you do and have done historically for the natural wine movement and Tracie B and I LOVE your portfolio of wines. Open your heart, o Big Joe, and see the love&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dressner</title>
		<link>http://dobianchi.com/2009/08/20/the-n-word/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Dressner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no debate.

You create a strawman through a lack of research, knock it down, and claim the higher moral ground because you are not a dogmatist.

I&#039;m not telling you if you should or should not like the Domaine Salvert Cheverny. That&#039;s your judgement.

But why drag everyone into a totally unnecessary argument based on your lack of research.

Enjoy the wines you like, be they soaked with Monsanto products, sustainable, organic, industrial or just plain shitty. Or even natural.

Just, please, don&#039;t try to stake a higher ground for yourself and Stacy B. Soon, I&#039;ll have to read how you are being persecuted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no debate.</p>
<p>You create a strawman through a lack of research, knock it down, and claim the higher moral ground because you are not a dogmatist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not telling you if you should or should not like the Domaine Salvert Cheverny. That&#8217;s your judgement.</p>
<p>But why drag everyone into a totally unnecessary argument based on your lack of research.</p>
<p>Enjoy the wines you like, be they soaked with Monsanto products, sustainable, organic, industrial or just plain shitty. Or even natural.</p>
<p>Just, please, don&#8217;t try to stake a higher ground for yourself and Stacy B. Soon, I&#8217;ll have to read how you are being persecuted.</p>
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